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X-T10 vs 20 and a couple of questions

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  1. cebrooker

    cebrooker New Member

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    Hello,

    I have a Canon 5D mk2 which I am sick of - too heavy, clumsy and feel a Fuji is a good move for me.

    I do a bit of everything so am looking for a range of lenses - once I have sold my 5D I am expecting to have £1000 to spend so is it worth getting a second hand X-T10 and then £700 worth of lenses?

    I am looking at the mk1 50-230 and possibly the Meike 6.5mm F2 along with another couple.


    Also, can you program the shutter length for a specific time in bulb mode?

    Thanks for your help,

    Charles
     
  2. GregWard

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    Welcome to the forum.

    I don't have either - so might not be in the best position to advise. But, on the positive side, the X-T20 is much closer to the X-T2 than the "10" was to the "1". Obviously that means there are quite a few areas where the "20" is quite a bit better. For example the AF is very nearly the same as the "2" and so a huge (potential) improvement.

    But - do any of those theoretical advantages translate into things that matter to you at all? It's not that the X-T1/X-T10 couldn't autofocus for example. They're just not as good (and in the case of the X-T2 not as configurable) at really fast AF. That either matters to you and the sort of images you want to be able to take - or it doesn't? Likewise the sensor - sure the "20" has 24mp to the "10's" 16mp. But so what? Do you need 50% more mp? Again - some people would say "yes" - but for most it's actually quite rare to really need to extra.

    Of course the real advantage of the "10" is how much money you can save - and, therefore, spend on lenses - and it's still a good camera. I'd wager you'd get more out of the money spent on lenses than you would on the useful differences between the "10" and the "20" if you have a hard budget limit? However, saving money now - then deciding to swap for the X-T20 might well be a false economy. So I'd really look through the differences and consider a longer term viewpoint? Are there things about the newer camera you would really want? Are you prepared to think about how you might spend over time and not just now or is the £1k it?
     
  3. DaveX

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    I moved from Canon to Fuji, I have the X-T2 and X-T20 with the 50-230mm both the X Ts are great. The T20 is smaller but a very good camera and imo is up to anything you throw at it, but it is not weather sealed.
     
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    Hello Charles and welcome to the forum.

    Perhaps decide which lenses you might want to buy, either immediately or in the future when funds allow, then work from there. I would also suggest holding the X-T10 and 20, with a couple of lenses (especially the 50-230mm if you definitely want that) to see what they feel like. You might also like to consider a used X-T1 since it is a little larger, and therefore may be more comfortable and balance better with the XC zoom lens. It's not much more expensive than a used X-T10, but has a larger EVF, weather sealing and more dials to play with!

    If I understand your second question correctly then no, you can't program the shutter length in bulb mode - you have to keep the shutter pressed manually either with the shutter button or with a remote release.
     
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    Surely with a remote release cable you can lock it ?
     
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    Yes you can lock it, but not program it - you have to manually unlock it when you want the shutter to close.
     
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    Yes. Use the T setting on the shutter speed dial; when selecting "T", you can program a shutter speed between 1/4000s to 30s using the front command dial. This applies both to the X-T10 and the X-T20.

    In T mode,you program the shutter speed, and this speed will be used when you press the shutter release (you don't need to hold it in that case).
     
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    I have both xt10 and X-T20. In practice I haven’t noticed a huge difference moving up from the 20 to the 30.

    The megapixel increase is not a huge deal assuming you are not printing huge images.

    Auto focus may be faster but again in practice I don’t notice a huge difference. Maybe more important for sports but I suspect lens choice will have a bigger impact.

    You don’t get acros jogs on the 10 if that’s important.

    When let its always nice to have the latest, I’d be tempted to recommend going xt10 and extra lenses, and then upgrading to the xt30 when that comes out in a year or so.

    The lenses you will keep for a long time but there will always be a new body to upgrade to just around the corner.
     
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    Just be careful that the X-T10/20 (and to a lesser extent also the X-T1/2) will feel TINY in comparison to what you're used to with the Canon. I realize that you want to shed weight/size, but you should try out whether the X-T10/20 is "big enough" for your hands. Some people struggle with the small form factor...
     
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    +1 - I think this is good advice if you haven't tried one already? The two are pretty similar (from a size pov) so either an X-T10 or X-T20 would do I think.
     
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    Thanks all for your input. I have got an X-T10 coming tomorrow with a 12mm Samyang F2 and a 50-230 to keep me going. I might get one of the Meike 6.5 at some point. Now to get rid of the 5D or the wife will kill me!
     
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    So how are you getting on with your new camera?
     
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    It is possible the wife had got him before the 5D went on sale...
     
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    Sorry for the lack of reply, I just got back from Florence and Bologna - The X-T10 was a dream, light, rapid focus compared to the 5D mkii.

    I decided that the 12mm Samyang wasn't enough so ordered a 23mm F2. Amazon screwed me on delivery so at the last minute I cancelled that and sent them the 12mm Samyang back too and bought a 10-24mm F4.

    I am delighted with the photos I have taken and considering a 16mp crop, the detail is incredible. I was struggling with a lack of zoom to check detail in camera when shooting raw only but saw a video saying you should shoot F-JPEG too purely to get the extra zoom for detail. A great tip I would pass on.

    My only quibble with the 10-24 is the amount of lens flare I have been getting shooting into the sun - My post-processing abilities need to sharpen up!

    Thanks all for your help.
     
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    Yes - definitely a good tip. When you shoot "RAW Only" you do actually shoot a JPEG as well - but it's a small one embedded into the RAW and pretty low resolution. So you certainly get more "available zoom" when you review a proper JPEG.

    For people reading this with a two-card slot Fuji camera there's a companion tip. If you shoot JPEG on one slot and RAW on the other then the camera (for some strange reason) defaults to using the RAW file for review. So you need to force the camera to change slots (eg by holding in the "play" button) to get that greater zoom capability.

    Hopefully this comment will become redundant at some point as/when Fuji update the firmware. I can't think of any good reason to default to image review via RAW given the Camera itself can't currently handle the actual RAW data (hence why it uses the JPEG for checking and histogram).
     
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    Greg,

    I wanted to thank you for your sound advice on going for the X-T10. I have had more fun with this camera in a fortnight than with my Canons over the last 3 years (admittedly only one where I was taking photos seriously!).

    On another note, I know it gets written off at every opportunity but the 50-230 is a cracking lens, considering I got it mint for less than £200, it is absolutely brilliant.
     
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    No problem - glad it helped. I certainly agree about the 50-230. It's not just the price either - as I recall it's a fair bit lighter/easier to carry around than the XF 55-200 (to say nothing of the 50-140 of course!).
     

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