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Voigtlander 35mm 1.7 Ultron Adapted to X-T1?

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  1. Experia-SD

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    Yes, only the black version is available in Australia, it should be fine for me.. I have the Fuji M mount, so will stick to M mount lenses. Many thanks.
     
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    The Voigtlander 35mm f/1,7 is a very good lens but I don't think it is that interesting on a Fuji camera, except if you already have it, or if you really like it's rendering. Fuji's 35mm are lighter, cheaper, focus closer and are easier to use.
     
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    This is quite reasonable. The Fuji 35/1.4 is hard to beat for speed and rendering quality and having AF is a big benefit. EXIF data is nice, too. I love the 35/1.4.

    Even so, I got a Speedmaster 35 f0.95 which has been on my Xpro most of the time since I got it when I take the camera outside. :).

    There is something to be said for a true manual focus lens, I like the rendering and the very shallow DOF is fun, too.
     
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    Thank you for the comments, I also have a Cosina Zeiss Ikon rangefinder so was looking for a manual lens that could be used on the X-T3 and the rangefinder. I have the XF 35mm/F2 but find the colour rendition not great so was looking for something different. The range finder has a Voigtländer 15mm/f4.5 Heliar, so the primary aim is a faster lens for the rangefinder for film use.
     
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    The Ultron takes a good bite off your viewfinder. If this bothers you, there are options:
    -The Voigtländer 1.4/35mm Nokton Classic which is small, fast and soft
    -A Summicron-M type 4 or ASPH, which are great lenses but don't go for less than 2,000 quid

    If it didn't have to be 35mm, the 1.5/50mm Nokton 1.5 is a lovely lens and affordable.
     
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    Thanks for the heads up and alternatives. I will try it on first when they have stock in Sydney next. Should not be an issue I think. Shane
     
  7. Elsee

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    The 15mm has a great contrasty rendering.
    The 35mm f/1,7 is sharp, has nice bokeh but some Voigtlander lenses have better character.
     
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    Thanks, agreed. What I have is the original version 15mm L mount which came with a L to M adaptor. I believe the version ii had some improvements.
     
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    Some have more character, others are faster, but the Ultron has the combination of good sharpness for the Fuji, compact enough size (without the hood) for the 35mm rangefinder and the most generally useful fields of view for combined use. If he shoots the Zeiss Ikon and Fuji alongside with the 15mm on one camera and the 35mm on the other, he gets the fields of view of 15mm, 24mm-ish, 35mm and 50mm-ish. That's hard to beat with a different focal length. I often shoot a combination of 21mm and 50mm for the same reason. Like @Experia-SD I use a slow lens (1:4/21mm Color Scopar VM) at the wide end and a faster (usually 50mm Summicron LTM or Summilux ASPH) at the long end.

    The 21mm Color Skopar is a stellar lens. full of character and not for the faint hearted, but stellar. There is a 1:2.5/35mm Color Skopar VM, too, and it is just as brilliant or actually even better than its 21mm sibling. It is in fact my all times favourite 35mm for a film range finder in daylight. Unfortunately, for the purpose and combined with the 1:4.5/15mm it is a tad too slow, there's no two ways about it. At f/1.7 you can get a sharpish shot with/of a slow moving person in a not too dimly lit room or outddoors at dusk/ dawn with regular colour and B/W film. With the Color Skopar you need to use fast B/W film outside of daylight.

    The Noktons are artsy-bokeh-effect-filtre-stuff one trick ponies (just check the flickr entries and tell me in case you find a straight forward real photograph) and I THINK neither fits the original Fujifilm M-Mount Adapter. There are Zeiss ZM lenses, an f/2 I know nothing about and an f/1.4 which is almost the same optical design as the Ultron, bigger and even heavier than the brass Ultron and three times as expensive. If I remember correctly, both Zeiss lenses have super exotic filtre treads while the Ultron takes standard 46mm Leica filtres. I should point out that the Ultron virtually outclasses the £5000-ish 35mm Summilux M ASPH FLE and equals the 1.4 Zeiss ZM in almost every way at every aperture except 1.4, obviously. At least as far as I can tell from the limited testing I did with those two lenses. Even compared to the latest Summicron (which I own) it takes some serious pixel peeping to tell a bean counting difference, while I do prefer the Ultron's colour and contrast. The biggest advantages here are the Summicrons size, weight, focusing tab and maybe that the Summicron only focuses to 0.7 metres. The Ultron focuses to 0.5m but the Leica's range finder only to 0.7m and that's a bit of a discomfiture close up.

    So in my opinion the Ultron is basically the best do it all 35mm range finder lens around. There may be better options for a few very specialised applications like if you really feel you need f/1.2 or f/1.4 and are prepared to live with a gigantic lens you can't see past in the viewfinder as is the case with the Zeiss or Nocton 1.2, or subpar IQ at comparable size as is the case with the Summilux and all of that for a few times the price of an Ultron.

    I don't know exactly what you mean by "other Voigtländer lenses have better character". The "character" lens is the Nocton Classic SC. It is small, fast and inexpensive but it is also worse optically than anything post WW2 from any reputable manufacturer and not even stopping down helps it much. The Ultron isn't a well known lens. There are no reviews out etc. which is strange because it is second only to the current Summicron in terms of practicality and to a degree which is almost completely irrelevant in real world use regarding sharpness, too. Never the less I prefer the Ultron for its nicer bokeh and overall rendering, and because it is a tad faster. That's quite hard to admit after having payed the premium for the Summicron. However, I am very much interested to learn about a 35mm M lens with better character than the Ultron and in which way it is better. Could you please let me know which lens you have in mind and if at all possible provide a sample or two?
     
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    Sample from X-T2 with Ultron 35mm F1.7 (at F2.8) + 0.5m plano convex corrector filter
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    100% corner crop
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    Thank you for the detailed analysis and presentation, appreciate your input. I should have the Ultron 35mm this week sometime. As you point out the Ultron is for general shooting and I use the 15mm for landscape. In Sydney the 15mm F4.5 is fine for landscape as we have blazing sunshine till very late. I will try out the Ulron over the weekend around the Harbour. Shane
     
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    This filtre is not required for the Fuji, IMO. I tested it and the corners get very slightly sharper, but because they are as sharp as the Fujinon XF35/1.4‘s corners at f/2 already, I think it’s not worth the trade off you take midframe, worse performance against bright light etc and who looks at the very extreme corners with a magnifier anyway? It is, however, great for Sony users, for whom it was developed in the first place. Even so, M lenses don’t work as well on Sonys as they do on Fujis or Leicas, which is why I don’t have a Sony.
     
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    I hope, you'll like it. I think you will, from your comments I believe you know what to expect and why you get it.
     

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