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The X-Pro1 Still Hard to Beat for Expressive Film-Like Images (Post Some Here).

Discussion in 'X-Pro2 and X-Pro1' started by beakhammer, Mar 22, 2016.

  1. Chuck Carstensen

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    I see you have removed blue from the sky on X-Pro2. I cannot understand how PP to your liking contributes to a comparison of the two cameras. They are two completely different images in my opinion.
     
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    Could see the blue through the upper left bush.
     
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    PP to my liking is generally how I edit my pictures. Sometimes I solict others opinions, and i feel blessed to have irl people to turn to for that, not strangers on the internet.

    The difference in the colours will be due to how each camera has decided to meter the scene combined with how Astia (etc) is different from one Fuji to the next.

    If “we” decide to harmonise the metering things can get complicated.

    Should we trust aperture priority on one camera, but not the other? Or should we do all the metering with an external instrument

    What about pixel pitch? One camera has smaller pixels than the other, this will have an effect on acurity and tonal transitions

    So when ever I embark on something like this, I personally (so YMMV) think, well what would I do if I just had the one camera.

    I’d go out, I’d shoot, I’d PP the images.

    I wouldn’t always take 2 or 3 cameras with me, shoot the same thing with each, then try and match them all.

    No one would.

    So I think the least scientific method is perhaps the closest to how people really operate

    Now I doubt you or others would not agree with that....

    ......I suspect DPR will have the studio scene thingamy for you/anyone to download if you just want to compare exactly the same images from different cameras
     
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    3 base.JPG

    Here's the three UNEDITED files

    The X-Pro 1 and 2, are images 2 and 3 respectively

    All test cameras set to base ISO, F4 and aperture priority

    Now these are UNEDITED files.

    Could "we" recover the blown sky and reds on images one and two?

    I reckon we could :)

    But that's not my point.

    Considering the thread is titled "The X-Pro1 Still Hard to Beat for Expressive Film-Like Images (Post Some Here)."

    It would JOKINGLY suggest that the X-Pro1 secret sauce is over exposure :)

    And running with the maxim that every joke has a kernel of truth... image one, NOT SHOT WITH A FUJI also exhibits a not entirely dissimilar over exposure of red and blue, and that camera enjoys a strong reputation for 'organic' images too

    so let's play!

    2 base.JPG

    above is the two Fuji files with ZERO edits

    2 base2.JPG

    Now ALL I'VE DONE is add +1.20 exposure on the X-Pro2 file (the left hand image)

    And the differences are greatly reduced.

    What's that you say?

    "But Adam, I don't want to over expose all my images so that red goes pink and the sky goes white"

    So predictably enough....

    2 base3.JPG

    Now I've added negative exposure (-1.6 in fact) to the X-Pro1 file (which is now the left image) to see how it compares to the X-Pro2 one

    Now I can see these files big on a proper screen, there are many other little nuances between them than just aperture priority derived exposure values (WB, colours tones)

    I'll be writing this all up at some point, (it's a lot of work) as I'm curious about the X-Pro1 "look" (in fact the whole organic look in general), but when we're dealing with attribute rather than variable data, things can get complex.
     
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    Since the two cameras have different sensors, I am wondering what happens with setting consistently normal manual exposure, and look at images side by side. How about a scene without the need for HDR like exposure. Just wondering. This is getting more interesting with each post.
     
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    That's where the complexity comes in...

    I've effectively mimicked what would of happened had we set each camera to the same exposure (all the images have had is exposure adjustment - NO HDR - highlight or shadow) - in fact I've done that both ways (set the XP1 to what the XP2 natively meters and vice versa)

    It gets complicated because a LOOSE PARAPHRASE of some of the posts in this thread might be summed up as the X-Pro2 is so much a better camera, but the X-Pro1 had a more pleasing IQ

    But when we see side by side, we see the X-Pro2 doing a technically better job of exposing for the scene...

    So my next test (and going out with 3 cameras and 2 lenses to shoot static stuff isn't exactly my idea of preferred photography) will be to try and harmonise the histograms between the cameras, and see how that looks

    We often read: with RAW you can make anything look like anything and yes, sure why not.

    But as true as that is when we have 2 shots and want to copy one look to the other... it's harder if we just have a the one camera...

    What is it about images from 'camera A' that looks so good to us that 'camera B' can't match?

    Because if we identify this, then we can make that look from all of our cameras :)
     
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    Some (hopefully) film like shots from the XP1 today:

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    Beautiful, especially the colours of the second. Do you do much in post processing? Also can I ask which lens these are with.
     
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    Thanks Kirsty. A little bit of PP - not a lot, just a tweak of levels mainly. These were all on the 18-55 zoom.
     
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    Xp1, 35mm/F1.4 f/1.8 1/60s ISO 1250, Exposure X3 Kodalith preset

    JP - X3 - Kodalith0012.jpg
     
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    DSCF1185.JPG Hello.
     
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    Purrrrfect.
     
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    double
     
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    The X-Pro1 handles low light with ease (JPEG SOOC) and elegance :)

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    I'm still with my X Pro 1 and love it to bits. Here's a shot from my June visit to London. It was shot with the 35 mm 1.4.


    A Quiet Read adjusted.jpg
     
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    Excellent. Tells a story.
     
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    Nice shot and processing, very good website too.
    Still use my E1 for street with adapted glass.
     
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    Thank you for your kind words, daggy. The E1 is a very worthy camera, as are all from the Fuji family.
     
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    Here's a recent shot with my X-Pro1 and the much-maligned XF18 lens:-
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    St. David's Cathedral in Pembroke.

    I love using this camera/lens combo
     
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    X-Pro1 and XF 35/1.4

    [​IMG]
     

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