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NEW -> Sharpening RAF files in LR- no worms! Eureka!

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  1. Sean73

    Sean73 Well-Known Member

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    Ok... so Ive been working with RAF files for a couple of years now in LR. I even purchased Iridient X-Ttransformer 2 days ago becuase of its sharpening capabilities and discovered this technique yesterday:

    My previous LR shapening work flow was something like this:

    Shapening: 15-25
    Rasius: 1.1-1.2
    Detail: 75-90
    Masking: as needed

    Someone on Reddit told me that the worms are caused by the detail slider. I encourage you to go back and try this.

    Shapening: 80-100
    Detai: 0-10
    and mess aroud with the rest.

    it works quite well. let me know what you think
     
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    Richard_R Eclectic eccentric Staff Member

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    Try Thomas Fitzgeralds free LR sharpening presets

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    Sean73 Well-Known Member

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    and that is even better...thanks for that!
     
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    It would seem that Adobe have finally managed to get rid of or reduce the worms in the green areas of image when processing Fuji RAFs.
     
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    But how does it compare to Iridient Transformer?
     
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    Sean73 Well-Known Member

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    I just did a test on 1 photo with foliage. I was using the 10-24 at F14. Here they are...honestly its splitting hairs to which is better. I will have to do more tests. I did close up comparisons and cant really tell. The first one is Xtrans. I even viewed them at 400% magnification and they are so close. I could have spent more time tweaking each one but this is the best i could do in a few mins >>

    XTR.jpg

    LR.jpg
     
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    That's like fifty different presets for sharpening.. o_O What for?

    I applied the foliage sharpening to a few images of mine.. Not worth showing the results, since it either doesn't help at all, or create a blurry mess..
    The other sharpening presets only intensify the catastrophy that is green foliage with x-trans sensors..

    I always apply the same sharpening for all my Nikon and Canon files and never have any issues..
    And yes, I know, Lightroom is the evil monster to blame.. Too bad, the OOC jpgs are just as messed up in my eyes..
     
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    I can honestly say that I've never come across this problem, but then I seldom feel the need to sharpen my images. Usual sliders and finish off with clarity and that seems to me to be enough. I've never come across all these green twirly artefacts, and most of my shooting is done outdoors.
    I did see one guy who took a shot of some trees 300 yards away on a windy day and he was complaining about blurred leaves: he complained so much that he sold up and went to Sony!
    I've never had anything like the problems others mention. What am I doing wrong?
     
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    Are you shooting Jpg or RAW? Are you using lightroom? if you are jpg then this doent apply. If you shoot raw then I have no idea why you arent seeing it. If you have a raw file do a test. Move the sharpening up to about 50 and then the detail slider up. You should see all kinds of worms.
     
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    Please post your RAF file if you want to make this kind of comparison and show us the result. No offense but I'm not ready to accept your call on this without an ability to see for myself. I'm from Missouri, we call it the "show me" state. Thanks.
     
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    I shoot RAW all the time.
    I'm not sure what doing the test you say will prove. It may well introduce worms etc. , but as I rarely need to use the sharpening sliders nothing will be achieved other than to prove the existence of something that I don't need.

    Of course. ..I'm not a pixel peeper which may be the root cause of a lot of these problems.
     
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    I hear ya ..cheers :)
     
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    Sean73 Well-Known Member

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    I am unable to post RAF files here. Any idea where I can host them?
     
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    Get a free Please login or register to view links account -- it's easy.
     
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    ok here they are. The XTR and the LR version. For the XTR: I imported through Iridient transfomer with the settings in the photo. I applied all od the same treatment to both except for the way that I sharpened them. you can mess around and see if you can get better sharpening. Its very possible I was doing something wrong but my goal was to ge the best images from both. Please login or register to view links

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    :angel:
     
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    No, what we need to see is the RAF file. The camera original.
     
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    alright ..the RAF is in the folder now. let me know what you discover. cheers
     
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    Got it. Get back to you. Thanks.
     
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    OK -- here you go: Please login or register to view links
    That's a link to a full-res JPEG of your image processed with a different raw converter (RT). What you want to do next is output a full-res JPEG of your LR version of the same image. It'll be too big to post directly here so again use dropbox and post it there and share the link. That way we can compare the images at 100% and see how they differ. And if you like I can process your file through a couple of other raw converters later for additional comparison.
     

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